CODE. is a pretty funny joke, I agree.

If you people would get on with the ganking and stop with the stupid ass RP posturing, we'd all be better off.

The trouble with removing FacPo is no one gives a shizzle about him next door. I would hazard a guess that a fleet of 20 or so Anti-gankers, following the gankers would eradicate them. Even CODE would soon disappear, as it would soon become boring for the bandwagonners, without the kills Try getting those 20 or so players, PVE'ers just don't care, until their ship blows up. Then the either rage quit, or just buy a new ship.

I also used to find mining relaxing when I was on drugs.

lol ur funny

I'm done responding now since this isn't worth my time. You're stretching those points there though Tippia, your argument is getting thin.

tl;dr: a player with Criminal Timer shouldn't be able to abandon wreck

I'm not against the ganking aspect of Eve, however, I think that it's far too easy for the killer to abandon the wreck and let a neutral player loot it without any trouble.

You're in the street, someone steal your nice shiny bag and give it to someone else: do you really think the cops or even yourself should only run after the first guy (for 15 minutes) and leave the second with all your stuff? ;)

Therefore, my simple suggestion to limit this without nerfing too much the gankers is to disable or at least delay the possibility of abandoning a wreck when it comes from unauthorized actions?

Put it simple: someone with a criminal timer isn't able to take some actions: warping, docking, etc. and abandoning wrecks should be also forbidden.

In High Sec, that would mean that when someone ganks a ship, he couldn't simply abandon the wreck and let anyone, including that shiny neutral Orca waiting a few km away, loot it as he would immediately become suspect! I think this would had lot of fun ^^ and hopefully some fights!

Of course, that doesn't concern WT/NPC/legal wrecks.

Have you ever actually ganked someone, or are you just saying stuff in an attempt to feel relevant?

To be honest, I've never ganked anyone in HS. There were a few times I wanted to tag along with others but my sec status was too low. I've ganked occasionally in other space but in general I just play EVE for those more engaging fights. So yeah, I'm hardly an expert. But I think the concepts involved here are pretty simple, in that if I did either ganking or hauling I know what I would think is balanced.

I post stuff here to give my opinion. Others can respond to points if they feel they are valid or invalid and explain why, and CCP can take that feedback to make the game better.

My opinion is that it's boring to have to worry about scouting an empty ship in HS. Freighters, jump freighters, and things like machs and vindis are the most extreme examples. If you are ganked with nothing in your cargo, and you *fit for tank*, the gankers should have to spend an amount of ISK at least somewhat close to your hull value, otherwise it seems like a silly mechanic. I do think it's imbalanced that you can gank a reinforced bulkhead fit freighter with only 200mil worth of catalysts at a cost of over 1.3 bil to the one guy who's only recourse to prevent such a fate would have been to do something that makes the game more boring for him.

Because different parts of space have different rules/mechanics? This allows the game to support a variety of different player preferences and play-styles. No, a frigate should not be able to kill a marauder in HS. The cost to gank it should be balanced based on something better than it is now. I'm suggesting to use the hull value as a guideline for any balance changes with ganking.

Can we reset RAZOR now? Pretty please?

All those freighters had to do was log off and they would dissappear in 30 seconds non? The only real danger here is if you are autopiloting.

We like conflict right?

Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.

Also, someone on one of the first pages said something about using a smartbombing battleship to clear suicide gankers but I'm fairly certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that smartbombs cannot be used in high sec.

To everyone else, why do carebears always lie?

So let me get this straight.

You're saying that people that live in HS are more ignorant and dishonest than those in LS and/or NS?

"Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country."

ok simple fix then anyone with a -5 - -10 should be automatically criminal flagged fraction police should only be used on those that have the -5 or lower standings :)

no fuss no muss

You know what never mind, we hit 100 the goal has been achieved, peace.

Go back to the terror that was M0o, who could shut down a high sec system and kill everything while tanking concord. They killed thousands in a matter of hours and were only stopped when CCP teleported them to the far corners of null sec.

Can people stop using this statistic of # of jumps/trips please, it's utterly irrelevant to the impact ganking has on the game. The relevant metric is active freighters unless every freighter pilot is only carrying out a single jump or trip in the relevant time period. It's just picking out big numbers because they make a problem look insignificant.

Given that trying to blow up other peoples internet spaceships accounts for at least 95% of my time playing Eve, I think you're mixing up your targets.

I'm fine with that.,

I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted.

Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013?

I'm confused

Believe what you want. It's no coincidence that Eve's declining subscription rate coincides exactly with the implementation of it's current bounty system which reinforces this kind of thing.

That's a bit dramatic.

Ignorant reply

500 freighters should be destroyed in response to this threads creation and longevity.

they won't :D
realise i'm :D
tearing up :D
as long :D
as i keep :D
typing smilies :D

While I agree with the general sentiment of your post, the above part is unfortunately wrong.

Freighters come with 1 (!!!) ft CPU, so it simply isn't possible to fit bulkheads, not even a single one, since they all require CPU.
Best you could do is 3x ANP II to make your freighter tankier.
This would take a Providence from 227.427 EHP to 284.354.
With assumed 600 dps per gank catalyst (since most gankers will not have perfect skills) and 14 sec Concord response time in 0,6 space the difference would mean 28 catalysts needed for the untanked version versus 34 tanked.
If the pilot however fitted 3x Expanders, the EHP would drop to 166.427 or 20 needed Catalysts.

Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.

Soul gems are tradeable unless you have stolen them. In that case, you will need the merchant perk.

Well, yeah. It's only a crime if you steal them from someone who is actually alive at the time.

It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try

U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm

CONCORD is the police of the game (no political rantings about IRL police please, you get the point I am making).

The police show up after someone is shot. Not as the person fires the gun.

One thing I think would be interesting is if security status of high sec systems changed based on the number of ganks. More suicide gankers means the system's status could change from 0.7 to 0.8. Less ganks means a system could change from 0.8 to 0.7 (and let's keep the same number of 0.7's, 0.8's, so if a 0.7 status moves up, another system's status has to decrease) Think of it as CONCORD moving resources to areas where they are more needed.

It could be very fun if Jita moves to 0.5 for a while

Herpa Derpa

Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone.

Probs misunderstood then.
I never look at isk/hr though... i value fun.

If it takes me two hours for ganking 100mill and I have fun,
then I still win. Greed is a horrible thing.

Oh and you're the experienced one when it comes to ganking in a vexor, iirc.

I do hope you have a scanning and ganking permit...........

Oh you do.

You are not above the CODE. Scanning frigates and gate gankers smell
horribly like bot aspirants, because they just sit around seemingly afk.

And even you will start paying for a permit
when people start killing the wrecks before you can loot them.....
..... keep buming your thorax to ruin tracking ....
.... and keep killing your scanning frigates .....

Is the reason you are on the forums so much is because real life is so hard on you?

I dont think so. I'd say given the lack of thoughtfulness of your post and the fact you live on the forums, I would say you probably aren't very smart and nobody can stand to be around you. There are people like you on every forums of every video game and they are usually always absolutely garbage at the game and there is always a reason their social life is restricted to the forums. Nobody would do what you do because they want to. You are just fulfilling the void. I see right through you and what I see is pretty sad.

One day you may look back on your life and realize you have nothing and have no one and wasted your life-time arguing with nobodys on an internet forum. This will serve as justice for all the shiptosting you have done.

I guess if there is one thing you have provided to this forum, it is that we can all be thankful that we aren't you.

1. Not working as intended when CODE is repeatedly blowing up ships at a loss just to create tears. CODE is not treating it as a business, just a way of hurting people.
3. They obviously don't care about isk because they operate at a loss.

So does the number of Knights who produce ships and modules used by both the gankers, and the gankees.

Why does this sound like an ad that would be on during Rush Limbaugh's radio show?

The freighters are not at the average. Some are quite profitable to blow up, and more power to CODE for that. Others were empty or nearly empty, and there was no possibility of profit, hence doing it for the tears.

Operating at a massive loss does not equal very profitable. The totality of empty ship suicide ganking is a not only a net loss to EVE (destroyed modules) but also a net loss to CODE and its backers.

No, but people who want to make a profit don't intentionally blow up empty ships in an -EV fashion. Plus, CODE has already lost around 390 billion isk - look very profitable yet? They often don't even bother looting the wrecks of their own gank ships, they care so little about isk (I've been able to go and loot them).